Hidroulicna bomba

Austin Allegro · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 4 Location: Beograd

Dakle gde i po kojoj ceni mogu nabaviti zadnju bombu za Austin Allegra?

Bane_mini · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject:

imas kod djure kod starog merkatora... 0112693490 mislim da je oko 100e

Fakin · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:

Ima kod Engleza, SC Parts:

http://www.scparts.co.uk/index/lang-2/lkz-195/markenid-4/katnr-45/kat_sprache-2/hrubnr-1141/rubrik-2929/index.php?tpl=clickable_vertikal.tpl&artikeldetailtop=-500

i Njemaca, AllBrit

http://www.allbrit.de/etk_detail.asp?MOD=MIN&Artikelnummer=21A2008

cijena oèekivajuæe -- paprena *VAVA*

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Brutalac · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject:

E sad cu se opet malo ja ubaciti i reci da je El Pre pogrijesio...da da ljudi moji he made a mistake Pardon

Allegro ne fura na hidrolastik ovjesu nego na HYDRAGAS ovjesu...sto znaci...svaka bomba radi za sebe dok je hidrolastik povezan ljeva dva kotaca i desna dva kotaca... *ROCK*

Evo di sam to procital...ak mi ne vjerujete...

http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?ado15storyf.htm

Sorry ElPre...morao sam Drinks or Beer

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Luka · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Hidroulicna bomba

Ima kod mene prednje i zadnje ako ti odgovaraju od metra sport 098758580 *BYE*

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Bane_mini · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:01 am Post subject:

cini mi se da nisu iste za allegroa i metroa....

Brutalac · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:12 am Post subject:

Pa tu ti sve pise...

Pioneer that led nowhere...

The Austin Allegro was the first car to feature Hydragas suspension - it wasn't a happy beginning.

SINCE the introduction of the Mini in 1959, BLs predecessor, the British Motor Corporation (BMC), had been right at the edge of cutting technology its smallest car popularized front wheel drive and miraculous interior packaging, changing the world in the process.

A mere three years later, BMC gave us even more of the same, with the Austin and Morris 1100 essentially an enlarged Mini with crisp Pininfarina-penned styling and one further innovation: Hydrolastic suspension.

Conceived in the late-Fifties by Dr Alex Moulton, the ingenious Hydrolastic system was the result of his inspired idea to replace conventional suspension units with fluid-filled displacers containing a rubber spring; and then interconnect them with fluid-filled pipes to make it all sit level.

Originally, the Mini was to receive Hydrolastic at its launch in 1959, but Moulton and co-developers, Dunlop, couldnt produce small enough displacers in time for the launch. However, that setback was undone with the launch of the huge-selling 1100 in 1962 and with it, we soon became a nation familiar with the Moulton bounce: that phenomenon of BMCs gently rising and falling on undulating roads.

Endearing then, comical now

BMC refined Hydrolastic during the Sixties, fitting the system to the 1800, 3-litre, Mini and Maxi, before moving on an improved version of the system.

Just as Hydrolastic will always be associated with Sixties BMCs everyone actually wanted, its replacement will be forever associated with that Seventies BL hell child, the Austin Allegro. Yet, the system worked extremely well after a period of fine-tuning. In principle, it was the same as Hydrolastic Hydragas cars had displacers, this time partially filled with nitrogen, separated from the fluid by a rubber membrane, to provide the suspension.

Or in simple terms, Hydrolastic cars were suspended on soft lumps of rubber, Hydragas cars made do with balloons

In effect, the 1970s BLs that used Hydragas rode on a cushion of gas how cool was that?

From 'lastic to 'gas...

Inside a Hydrogas displacer. (Pic: Carbibles.com)

Like the earlier cars, Hydragas cars were interconnected. The reasoning behind this was devilishly simple: when a wheel hits a bump, the suspension compresses, pushing fluid down the interconnecting pipe to the unit at the rear. In other words front wheel goes up, rear wheel goes down and you remain level when you hit a bump.

In early Allegros, Hydragas didnt work too well, though. Damping wasnt strong enough, the ride ended up being too choppy on rough roads, and too floaty everywhere else. The boffins at Longbridge soon worked on ironing out the creases, but customers unconvinced by the earliest cars proved impossible to win back although its suspension was the least of the Allegros problems.

Things improved dramatically with the Princess, which did ride and handle very well, but by the time it was launched in 1975, BL was staring down the barrel of bankruptcy and plans to do anything meaningful with the great Wedge were scuppered by crisis management of disappearing company funds.

Designer of the Rover SD1 and Range Rover, Spen King, was drafted in to create an efficient range of future BLs and in his opinion, Hydragas was unnecessarily complex and costly to produce. That meant the Allegro/Maxi replacement would lose Hydragas, and gain a carbon copy of the VW Golfs MacPherson strut/beam axle set-up.

What was this brave new world? The Maestro

Happily, it wasnt entirely over for Hydragas: BL still needed a supermini, and didnt have the funds to create a brand new car. So, bits of Mini and Allegro were thrown together, the pot was stirred, and four years after being first thought of, the Metro appeared.

King didnt have the resources to engineer Metro to use conventional springs, and kept the Allegros system although to reduce costs and perceived complexity, interconnection was dropped. This denied the Metro of its one major advantage over all its rivals a level ride. It worked well enough, but no better than any of its more conventional rivals and as the Eighties wore on, the Metros knobby ride became the object of derision for many

Except Alex Moulton, who realised the Metro was incredibly compromised when shorn of its extra pipe work. He worked on his own Metro, putting interconnects back in and fiddling with the damping in the Hydragas displacers. And from his workshop in Bradford on Avon, emerged a fine example of automotive alchemy

Rebirth of the system

In 1987, he lent his homemade Metro to CAR magazine, who realised instantly the significance of this innocuous looking brown W-registered Metro. It rode, handled and cornered like a grown up car. News of this miracle soon spread to the Rover development team in Gaydon, who swiftly borrowed the car, and discovered that Hydragas was a long way from being dead and buried.

Rover was on yet another cost cutting drive at the time, and the replacement for the Metro a larger and more conventionally engineered car was in the process of being canned. Moultons car came along just at the right time, because it meant the new cars K-Series engine could be stuffed into the original bodyshell and combined with the sorted version of Hydragas to create a new car thus saving Rover shed loads of cash.

In 1990, the Rover Metro was born and true to its origins, it was a 1980 car, with a 1990 engine and homemade suspension. And yet, it wasnt a disaster it was actually rather good on the road.

Similar thinking brought us the MGF in 1995. Rover needed an MG sports car to compete with the Mazda MX-5, the bosses agreed on a mid-engined design, and so the resourceful engineers at Gaydon took a crateful of Metro engines and front subframes, swapped ends, bolted them together, wrapped them up in smart clothes and created one of the Nineties most successful roadsters.

From this brief resurgence, Hydragas faded from view. The Metro died in 1997, its demise accelerated by poor NCAP crash test results leaving the MGF the only car left using this innovative suspension system. Five years later, the game was up for the MGF, too no longer a financially viable system MG Rover killed Hydragas, by replacing the Fs displacers with conventional springs.
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Might have 16 valves but still a mini!

Kramer · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject:

Brute!!!

Ne razbacuj se tako pameæu!!! BLUM

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Fakin · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject:

Ne vrijedi ti ovaj ispravak jer ja ionako ne pratim Allegre i Metroe.
Odgovor sam ponudio jer je ovo forum o MINIJIMA i svega to se MINIJA tièe.
BLUM

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Lilihip · Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:08 am Post subject:

to je to MINIJA?

Bane_mini · Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:52 am Post subject:

vidis da covek uvezbava promene glagola po licima

minija
miniti
minion
minimi
minivi
minioni

BLUM

Austin Allegro · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Age: 38 Posts: 4 Location: Beograd

Austin Allegro je se prvo punio hidrogasom odnosno azotom koji je kao gas neutralan tako da nije korozivan za instalacije,a i za samu gumu od bombe!Punile su se bombe do pritiska od 17 bari!Kasnije je doslo vreme hidrolastika koji se u mnogome ne razlikije od azota sto se amortizacije tice,jedina predost je sto se nece odmah spustiti auto kod manjeg pucanja bombe!A u sustini hidrolastik je smesa koju moze bilo ko da na pravi,cak se sastav menja kod razlicitih proizvodjaca drasticno,bilo kako bilo to je sve na bazi alkohola!!!

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